Saturday, October 6, 2012

Degenerative Polyneuropathy

Update from mooses momma:



This week has been a rough one but things seem to be slowly improving. In my last post I had just seen a bit of improvement in his ability to coordinate his paws but it didn't last long. It seemed he would get better for brief periods then worse again (though I was grateful that even the bad periods were no worse than the day after I brought him home). I was hoping that it was just taking a long time for the anesthesia to wear off but given that the trouble seemed so specific to two opposite legs even the surgeon was baffled and that is when I got really scared.



When he wasn't improving on Thursday he referred us to a neurologist so we went right away. The neurologist found neurological deficiencies in all of his legs but it was worse in the front left and back right for sure. Given that he also had laryngeal paralysis which is often caused by nerve degeneration she said the most likely cause of the walking trouble is degenerative polyneuropathy. I was not completely surprised by this based on what I have read in the last two weeks. In many cases dogs who have unilateral tie back (the surgery he had on Monday) will be spared from a fatal breathing crisis but will gradually lose function in their back legs until they can't walk and have to be put down. The time frame for that is generally about two years. In an already senior dog, two years is possibly their natural lifespan anyway so I had not been too upset by reading that, after all that is an average and I have heard about several cases who progressed much slower. In the past year I have noticed an occasional toe drag but it had not become more frequent so if that is the rate of progression then I assumed it would be years for sure.



However when I asked the neurologist why he went from being able to walk normally to walking like a drunk with rocks in his shoes overnight she said that dogs often compensate for a long time then get to a point where they can not anymore and people will see what seems to be sudden setbacks. Why did it coincide with surgery? Well, anesthesia affects nerves that are degenerating differently than healthy nerves. The good news is that there is a chance this anesthesia effect will gradually wear off and he will get back to his pre-surgery state in the next weeks but the bad news is there is nothing that can be done to reverse or even stop the degeneration that has already started. The best way to slow it down is to strengthen the muscles as much as possible. This of course involves being able to do exercises that he is too weak and un-coordinated to do at the moment. The worst part of her assessment was that she found that the extent of muscle wasting suggested that this has been going on for a year already and that the timeframe from this point to the time where his mobility would decline to the point that I would have to put him down was 6 months to a year. I know I have a senior dog - he turns 11 this month but until the past month or so he did not act his age at all. I hoped the slow down I was seeing pre-op was his discomfort from being unable to get a good breath when he tried to do anything and that surgery would help me keep him active. As it was we were having to shorten our walks before surgery and no way could he go out in daytime when it was hot. But now I am afraid the slow down may have been more from the loss of muscle- it is a vicious cycle.



The good news is that last night and this morning he seems a little better able to get around and seems a bit more alert and interested in things. Cheese seems to really help his legs move! So I am more hopeful that he will get closer to normal. I have heard that acupuncture can help a lot so I called a local vet who was highly recommended. If I can get him to the point of being able to walk enough that he can get exercise I am hopeful we can really slow it down.
He is otherwise healing well from the surgery and his breathing is much better. He is hacking and gagging a bit more but I understand that is expected.



This has been devastating to me and lots of friends have come out of the woodwork to offer concern and support and I am so grateful that I have people who understand and care. It is so awful seeing your dog suddenly unable to move, particularly a moose sized dog who I am unable to physically lift by myself. Luckily I have neighbors who have helped me get him in and out of the car.

18 comments:

  1. Awe D! I'm so sorry about this. This sucks. I thought Juno had DM for a while (degenerative meyopathy) as it sounds very similar and her back legs were atrophy'd and weak. It seems very similar to DP. But it wasn't DM because i ran an MRI on her and her nerves were in good shape But the MRI showed she was fat and didn't have very much muscle in her back end. I do know that PT works WONDERS, almost MIRACLES for dogs with conditions like this. Juno still goes to underwater treadmill 1x/month and weekly trots/runs and does other PT to build muscle in her back end. I noticed after a 12 day stay in the kennel (and away from her weekly PT schedule) she came home and declined! She was clumsy and skidded her back end all over the place. A week or two after her returning to her normal PT schedule (plus 1 water treadmill session), she is back to almost a "regular dog" (she will never be regular though). I know Mooses is in a bad way right now with recovery but maybe soon with a vet you can explore PT options. I know they can do wonders and it's a great way to bond with with him. Plus they always feel GREAT after PT. LIke people who accomplish their exercise program. Juno gets in her water treadmill and has a great time because she's being fussed over and told she's so good at it. It's a lot of fun.

    This is a different stage of Mooses life now and tho you can't reverse it, I am confident when I say PT improves quality of life. Because if it does't do anything, it can improve his mental state of mind too!

    I can't recommend water treadmill enough. I think Mooses would love it.

    Anyway, I sure enjoy his encounters with the poultry man. He and Juno seem to be soul mates in that area. Much, much love to Mooses. He sure is special.

    hugs,
    Wild Dingo

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  2. Oh, I am sendin' some POTP and good thoughts and all my extra energy (Ma says you can have it ALL!), so you can get exercisin' and get better FAST!
    Tell your Moms to hang in there, and I'll be sendin' her some of my special bonifed AireZens!

    Kisses,

    Ruby

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  3. Thank you for your thorough, yet sad description of Moose's current condition. I hope that there is PT available. I have to think that it would help him. Even passive exercises that you can do at home will get his muscles engaged. Dare I say there might be a therapy ball in his future?

    I am thinking of both of you a lot and sending positive thoughts that you enjoy your time together to the max. I know that as long as there is cheese involved that Moose will be happy.

    Kisses,
    Dexter

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  4. We all have our paws crossed, all forty of them, for Moose and we hope that he has a good recovery. Mom says that she tried acupuncture with her dog Bentley, before any of us were born, and that it helped him a lot.

    Keep getting better Moose.
    Morgan, Sebastian and the Porties

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  5. I had no idea Mooses is 10 (11 really)!
    I have to say acupuncture is great. When Darwin's gimpy butt problems started 2 years ago acupuncture really helped her improve. I have nothing but praises for acupuncture. We're still looking for a vet here in Singapore that does pet acupuncture.
    We're sending you power of the paw from Singapore and will keep you in our thoughts!
    big hugs and giant Dane kisses from all of us in Singapore!

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  6. Charlie and I are sending power of the paw to you and Moose! PT and acupunture sound like great things to try. We'll keep our paws crossed for a steady return to pre-surgery mobility. Give the Mooser a snooter kiss from us.
    - Anne & Charlie

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  7. Moose's mama, we don't know what to say except we feel so sad Moose is having such a serious problem. We hope our crossed paws and love will help a tiny bit.

    This is so rough on both of you. Just know we're thinking about you and hope the suggested treatments will help.

    Wirey love,

    Jake.and JH

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  8. We have our paws crossed for Moose!

    Sam and Pippen

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  9. Behold The Power of Cheese!!!

    Hugz&Khysses,
    Khyra
    PeeEssWoo: Go Moose! Go Moose!! Go Moose!!!

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  10. Come on Moose! You can do it! Your breathing is better and in a little more time your legs will improve I just know it! Keep up the good attitude buddy and you and your family will have lots of smiles through your senior years. Pullin like crazy for ya pal!

    Waggin at ya,
    Roo

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  11. I really feel for you and your situation with Moose. Fred was given the same 6 months to a year prognosis with his bad hips if we don't get them fixed and he is only two. I don't think it matters if our babies are 2 or 10, the thought of not having them anymore is devastating. I hope Moose continues to improve and you can enjoy lots more time together. We will keep our fingers and paws crossed. And hey, a little (or lot. lol) of cheese never hurt anyone! :)

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  12. Don't be discouraged by the grim prognosis from the neurologist! Every dog (and person) does things on his/her own timetable. My dog, Imelda, had a very rough recovery period after her LP surgery. I had to help her get around for a while too. As I recall, it took several weeks for her to regain her pre-surgery level of mobility. It was a very stressful time, as we also had to be ever-vigilant for signs of aspiration pneumonia, which is another possible complication of this surgery. (Weakness can be part of that.) We did take her for acupuncture, and I think it was helpful. Hang on, Moose and Moose's momma--the first few weeks are the toughest. I'm glad to hear Moose is breathing well!

    Susan T and Wrigs

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  13. This all sounds very scary and we thinks you is coping well. I is glad that cheese helps and i is sure that a dog like Moose with such a zest for life will make a good recovery and hopefully a slow degeneration. Sending POTP!
    ~Lickies, Ludo

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  14. :( you know baby Jets, Todd, and I are all hear for you and Mooses :(

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  15. Moose, we're keeping our paws crossed for you. We know your mom will move heaven and earth to do everything that can be done to help you heal and get strong again. We'll do our parts with puppy prayers.

    Jed & Abby

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  16. I just found your blog. I am so sorry to hear about this! I was wondering - have you tried water therapy?

    Again, sorry to hear this news and hope that Moose is revived a little more with cheese! Take care and keep us posted! :)

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  17. Oh my God - I'm so sorry - I've been so out of the loop with blog friends and only just saw this now. Oh poor Moose!!! I was just happy last time to read that his operation went well and was thinking that he was hopefully back to his normal self...I can't imagine how upsetting and stressful this must all be for you (it is enough for me reading it and I'm "just" a blog friend). I think you sound so brave about it - and I know that you'll be strong for Moose and do the best for him. He is so lucky to have you! As someone with a big, old dog too, I know exactly what you mean about the fears & stresses of a dog too big for you to move yourself.

    We will keep you in our thoughts and hope that Moose shows more improvement as the weeks progress. You never know!! I agree that building up muscles - in whichever way you can - would be a really good idea. Do you think Moose can manage to swim? I always thought that was a brilliant way to improve muscle strength & condition without any impact/stress - and also a lot of support from the water. If Moose can't swim properly in the beginning, perhaps you could get him a flotation jacket - then encourage him to move his limbs in the water? I hope you might have an access to a beach or pool where you might be able to try this out.
    Good luck and sending lots of hugs -

    Hsin-Yi & Slobbers from Honey the Great Dane

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  18. Moose! It fills my labraheart with joy to see you up and about and feeling better. In fact better in many ways than before your surgery, right? You go, Moose! I love your new girlfriend. I think she is part of your physical therapy.

    Kisses,
    Dexter

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